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A stroll in a day..... a reflection of the mind....past, present,&future.


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Sun, 30 Dec 2018 #721
Thumb_rao kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao India 903 posts in this forum Offline

Influence of decade of K’s teachings on the life of the poster has made him look at his own act of observation at his existence or consciousness.
How does he observe the events or issues of his own existence that crop up in his life trail or consciousness?
In fact this is what actually thrown at him, when he was to leave for morning walks.
If he was to observe his own occupation of the mind, could he say that he was free from the teachings of K , with which he has been associated for the last 10 years.?
Or is this just another desire to be free of K’s teachings? And what for? For the sake of reality or insight or perception? Was there an influence for decade of K’s teachings on the life of the poster,which has made him look at his own act of observation at his existence or consciousness?
How does he observe the events or issues of his own existence crop up in his life trail or consciousness?
In fact this is what actually thrown at him, when he was to leave for morning walks.
If he was to observe his own occupation of the mind, could he say that he was free from the teachings of K , with which he has been associated for the last 10 years.?
Or is this just another desire to be free of K’s teachings? Is there a subtle form of desire still lingering in his mind?
Quite often he used to reflect his reactions on various issues that cropped up in his mind while on solitary walks in this thread. He stopped for a while .Perhaps he had reason for it.
Did he ever felt that these postings resulted very often as self- projections? Then why did he return? Was avoiding self-projection was just another ideal or an idea, which he was not aware?
What is the state of( his)being now?
Have the teachings become just ideas or formulas? Did he really understand the significance of desire? Does subtle form of the desire still sustain?
Has he been caught between the actuality and the ideas from the teachings and tradition? Has this resulted in his entire existence being caught in time?
Is this the state of his being right now? Which is no more than being a known person in teachings and the past?

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Sun, 30 Dec 2018 #722
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kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
Have the teachings become just ideas or formulas?

If the teachings have become dead ideas then it must be abandoned as any other idea . But to me the teachings are not ideas. They are facts that one can work with.

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Sun, 30 Dec 2018 #723
Thumb_rao kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao India 903 posts in this forum Offline

Teachings are not ideas.We make them into ideas when we take them as absolute truths.If there is understanding of those teachings,one would be seeing the absolute truth behind those teachings. For that one needs observe one's mind when one is trying to understand teachings.

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Mon, 31 Dec 2018 #724
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Is it not important to see how the mind is caught in illusions before seeking the absolute truth because the mind that is in illusion will find what it seeks but what it finds is merely another self- made illusion. Can the mind be free from all illusions?

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Tue, 01 Jan 2019 #725
Thumb_rao kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao India 903 posts in this forum Offline

Can the mind be free from all illusions?

Yes,one has to ask that question to oneself?Stay with the question.Of course we can theorize what we are supposed to do,but that is of no avail.

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Tue, 01 Jan 2019 #726
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kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
Yes,one has to ask that question to oneself?

Yes the question has to be asked only from oneself because there is no authority in these matters to go to. The only person who has gone into the question of freedom is Krishnamurti (thank goodness) and he says that the answer to the question is not outside of the question. So we can share the question with who ever is interested and is not anti-question minded.

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Tue, 01 Jan 2019 #727
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One Self wrote:
Yes the question has to be asked only from oneself because there is no authority in these matters to go to

You write there is no authority and then you turn around and write this:

One Self wrote:
The only person who has gone into the question of freedom is Krishnamurti (thank goodness) and he says that the answer to the question is not outside of the question.

Which is citing K as an authority. In your desperation, your confusion and your ignorance you are becoming a follower, a disciple of K. It appears that you are starting a little religion in your mind with K as the chief deity.

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Tue, 01 Jan 2019 #728
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Jack twists what is written and he responds from that twisted perception which has no meaning. I said Krishnamurti is the only person who has gone into the question of freedom but he twist it according to his conditioning and says we worship authority! It is best to ignore his mentality otherwise we end up talking about him which is another form of illusion.

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Tue, 01 Jan 2019 #729
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One Self wrote:
Jack twists what is written and he responds from that twisted perception which has no meaning. I said Krishnamurti is the only person who has gone into the question of freedom

But you also wrote

One Self wrote:
and he says that the answer to the question is not outside of the question.

"He says" is the authoritative part. You apparently don't know what you write.

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Tue, 01 Jan 2019 #730
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One Self wrote:
Yes the question has to be asked only from oneself because there is no authority in these matters to go to. The only person who has gone into the question of freedom is Krishnamurti (thank goodness) and he says that the answer to the question is not outside of the question. So we can share the question with who ever is interested and is not anti-question minded.

I can't make it any more clear than that .

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Wed, 02 Jan 2019 #731
Thumb_rao kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao India 903 posts in this forum Offline

Can one really say he is free of all authority?May be at the conscious level one could probably assert that he is free of it,but we are such beings we keep using thought as an instrument of our daily chores.Very often thought stands for emerging desires or sensations,which makes one most unconsciously pick up some authority,unless one keeps questioning the thought that props up in the consciousness.

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Wed, 02 Jan 2019 #732
Thumb_rao kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao India 903 posts in this forum Offline

Urge to seek gratification through sensations results in desire.This phenomenon quietly brings in authority at every instant.We hardly keep track of this process

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Wed, 02 Jan 2019 #733
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If one can't be free from fear then authority which is part of fear must be inevitable.

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Thu, 03 Jan 2019 #734
Thumb_rao kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao India 903 posts in this forum Offline

One Self wrote:
If one can't be free from fear then authority which is part of fear must be inevitable.

Fear is something one might experience when one is doubtful of fulfilling one's desires because it is thought which manges the whole fulfilling activity.Hence the importance of self- identified memory which is the "me". That takes over and generates fear and authority.

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Sun, 06 Jan 2019 #735
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kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
Fear is something one might experience when one is doubtful of fulfilling one's desires because it is thought which manges the whole fulfilling activity.

Okay , thought is the desire to be fulfilled ,I can see that. Thought controls our lives. Krishnamurti talks about love which is not of time and thought. To us who are practically loveless what k sounds is very appealing. Krishnamurti gives us the impression that we will love at the end by self knowledge and so on. But all of these are ideas until it is experienced directly,don't you think so?

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Sun, 06 Jan 2019 #736
Thumb_rao kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao India 903 posts in this forum Offline

One Self wrote:
Thought controls our lives. Krishnamurti talks about love which is not of time and thought.

Whatever K must have spoken about love and involvement of time, one can be sure in one's life ,one must have experienced several times the fine moments one's feelings,may be discreetly one would have had it.The question is:do we ever have the awareness of those feelings,except that you recollect it from memory?Have we ever asked what was state of our mind when those feelings when ever they happened?Were there any moments of absence of thought,which gave that fine feeling? That is what precisely amounts to the question:

One Self wrote:
But all of these are ideas until it is experienced directly,don't you think so?

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Sun, 06 Jan 2019 #737
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We started discussing illusions and can the mind be free from all illusions. Then we talked about fear which is thought created. Thought is responsible for fear. Then we went into the question of love. In the discussion of love we realize that we don't love that is why the world is as it is , self- destructive. The important question is not what love is, but what prevents love in human relationship ,don't you think so?

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Mon, 07 Jan 2019 #738
Thumb_rao kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao India 903 posts in this forum Offline

I think it is self-identified memory which prevents love.On the face of it,it may appear that this proposition is absurd.All our self-projections are directly from self-identified memory.We project our love through this ,which becomes highly emotional and sensational.It almost becomes self-destructive.I think purpose of this self-identified memory is functional,just like ram in a computer.It is also a memory which is used only when computer is on execution,otherwise it is empty.poster thinks that the self- identified memory in the human psych is no more than that,but we find that it has become an abode of programmer.Sitting there he distorts his own executions. In a computer ram is emptied once execution is over.We thrive on sustaining the self-identified memory.It needs to be emptied from moment to moment.The brain is always there to meet our past records whenever we require.Of course the self -identified memory is also part of the brain, the hard disc.In fact we need to focus on this self-identified memory,before we can say that it has to be emptied.

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Mon, 07 Jan 2019 #739
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kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
The brain is always there to meet our past records whenever we require.Of course the self -identified memory is also part of the brain, the hard disc.In fact we need to focus on this self-identified memory,before we can say that it has to be emptied.

I understand the above,we do identity ourselves with one thing or another and create all sorts of problems. My question is that Why is there such a drive to identify oneself with something, are we afraid of being nothing , why ?

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Mon, 07 Jan 2019 #740
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kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
The brain is always there to meet our past records whenever we require.Of course the self -identified memory is also part of the brain, the hard disc.In fact we need to focus on this self-identified memory,before we can say that it has to be emptied.

I understand the above,we do identity ourselves with one thing or another and create all sorts of problems. My question is that Why is there such a drive to identify oneself with something, are we afraid of being nothing , why ?

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Tue, 08 Jan 2019 #741
Thumb_rao kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao India 903 posts in this forum Offline

One Self wrote:
My question is that Why is there such a drive to identify oneself with something, are we afraid of being nothing , why

if we do not identify ourselves with something or other ,we are psychologically nothing.We know we would hardly want to be nothing.That state would straight away puts us to fear.

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Tue, 08 Jan 2019 #742
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We need to look more closely at the the identifying process.Is this process responsible for the various joint phenomenons to come into existence,creating the individual?such as thinker,actor and reactor.?

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Tue, 08 Jan 2019 #743
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kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
We need to look more closely at the the identifying process.

I think that most of us are caught in identification. We don't know why we say that "I am an American." or I an Arab or Russian or this or that. The list goes on "I am a philosopher " . Is it because we look to others to tell us who we are?

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