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Dvaita (Duality) is not wrong


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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #151
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
There is abs no comparison to what 'k' says and what you are mentioning.

i think as you have confessed you are not able to understand what i say:)
gb

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #152
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ganesan balachandran wrote:
you should not feel jealous of my understanding of the vedic quotes:)
gb

I will feel jealous if you understand yourself.:)

I don't know

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #153
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
There is abs no comparison to what 'k' says and what you are mentioning.

Thinking stops and at the same time the brain or mind is alive even with some of the fine participants posts.

gb
Through the sacrifice they traced the path of speech and found it inside the sages. They held it and portioned it out to many; together the seven singers praised it.

Have you seen Nick's K grams.
gb

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #154
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ganesan balachandran wrote:
you should not feel jealous of my understanding of the vedic quotes:)

Or I will feel jealous if you have a beautiful girlfriend, when I have none;)

I don't know

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #155
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

dhirendra singh wrote:
I will feel jealous if you understand yourself.:)

With k are you not able to see you in me.
gb

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #156
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
then referring to demagogy which attracts millions.

what is that you mean.wiki says it is a strategy. one thing which i have clearly understood through K is not to apply any strategy and also this as strategy.
gb

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #157
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

ganesan balachandran wrote:
Thinking stops

reading your posts my thinking, breathing, tasting, seeing, listening, shitting.. everything stops.

Now respected gb Swami ji Maharaj , kindly with folded hands i beseech you to release me, O my worthy lord and creator of Vedas.

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #158
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
reading your posts my thinking, breathing, tasting, seeing, listening, shitting.. everything stops.

:) Is it 'Shaktipaata'?

I don't know

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #159
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

dhirendra singh wrote:
) Is it 'Shaktipaata'?

That is why i am requesting with folded hands lest he uses it on me! Safety saves.

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #160
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dhirendra singh wrote:
I will feel jealous if you understand yourself.:)

how many more bests to come?

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #161
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
how many more bests to come?

They are not from me.

It depends upon GB and Paul.:)

I don't know

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #162
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED


Ravi wrote: Bow before him who sees Saguna Brahman an Nirguna Brahman as one.

Paul Davidson wrote: Ravi, why should one bow before any one?

Muad dhib wrote: paul we do that all along life.....

Dhirendra wrote: Excellent

What do I get from all this?

I am told that I must bow before 'the one.'

I ask why?

Dan says it is because 'we' do that all along our lives.

Dhirendra agrees. (He needs to say on what basis he agrees.)

So, there we have it. We may accept authority, bow before it, because we are conditioned to do so.

But I do not go along with that. I stand against it.

So, can anyone give a better answer and tell me why I should learn to bow?

"The ego is first and foremost a body ego." S. Freud

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #163
Thumb_stringio RICK LEIN United States 4436 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
Or I will feel jealous if you have a beautiful girlfriend, when I have none;)

LOL:)

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #164
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

RICK LEIN wrote:
I will feel jealous if you have a beautiful girlfriend, when I have none;)

who can be the best girl friend than this reality and she says let us be friends, you are not listening but feel jealous.
gb

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #165
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

Paul Davidson wrote:
: Ravi, why should one bow before any one?

Muad dhib wrote: paul we do that all along life.....

Dhirendra wrote: Excellent

What do I get from all this?

Nothing. since you skip and pretend you haven't read the other posts .

I am told that I must bow before 'the one.'

I ask why?

Dan says it is because 'we' do that all along our lives.

Dhirendra agrees. (He needs to say on what basis he agrees.)

Obvious need not be explained.

So, there we have it. We may accept authority, bow before it, because we are conditioned to do so.

But I do not go along with that. I stand against it.

So, can anyone give a better answer and tell me why I should learn to bow?

You have been adequately replied to. refer : # 137 by ravi seth which says:

"What you do when you look up at the Himalayas the first time?"

who is wasting whose time , now?

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #166
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
"What you do when you look up at the Himalayas the first time?"

Do you suggest a being or becoming.
gb

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #167
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ravi Seth wrote:
Nothing. since you skip and pretend you haven't read the other posts .

Personalisations are usually attempts toavoid the subject matter.I have neither skipped nor pretended. But many of the intervening posts were rank personalisations and I do not take part in that. So I went back to the source comments. Also,I started off from Dan's answer to me that we are always bowing anyhow. I took the implication to be 'so why should we not bow before K?'

Is this not what we are discussing, bowing before K? Bowing before the one who has reached unity with the ground? Has this not been the point all along, whether or not to bow and, subsequently who and what is bowing, and to what is it bowing?

And I say I do not bow before anything, not even the Himalyas.

I say that all bowing is the bowing of the ego before its own projections. Of course this may be taken as just my opinion OR it may be a point to begin an investigation.

"The ego is first and foremost a body ego." S. Freud

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #168
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ravi Seth wrote:
Obvious need not be explained.

Why Dhirendra agreed with Dan is so obvious to you?

As for me, I neither know why Dan stressed his point that we bow all our lives nor why Dhirendra agreed with it. I think it is for them to say. It may not be as you think. My best guess is still only a guess.

So, let's run through the line of the dialogue once more:

A) K reached the ground so we should bow before him

B) Bowing is the creation of authority. Why should we bow?

C) We have been bowing our life long

D) Agreed

So, what is C's point here and what is D agreeing to?

"The ego is first and foremost a body ego." S. Freud

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #169
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ravi Seth wrote:
You have been adequately replied to. refer : # 137 by ravi seth which says:
"What you do when you look up at the Himalayas the first time?"

Ravi, you ask a rhetorical question but I will answer it nevertheless. You assume that your question answers itself but it is more open than you appear to think. Let us look into it.

What does one do when looking up at the Himalayas the first time?

Ravi, with something such as the Himalayas, so vast and unconceptualisable, each time it is looked upon is the first time. It is because the mind,the senses, cannot encapsulate it. Only the mind steeped in religious tradition imagines it has discovered the sacred and bows down. And in bowing before the mountain the mountain is lost sight of, replaced by a projection. It ceases to be a mountain and becomes an icon, which is what has happened.

What the senses cannot encapsulate, the Self turns into God.

"The ego is first and foremost a body ego." S. Freud

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #170
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ravi Seth wrote:
who is wasting whose time , now?

Oh, you poor hurt child!

"The ego is first and foremost a body ego." S. Freud

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #171
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

ganesan balachandran wrote:
Do you suggest a being or becoming.
gb

Both reactions would be of the Self

Being: is the self justifying and accepting itself

Becoming: is the self denying and changing itself

"The ego is first and foremost a body ego." S. Freud

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #172
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ravi Seth wrote:
You have been adequately replied to . . . by ravi seth

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #173
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

thank you. let me see.
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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #174
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Paul Davidson wrote:
Being: is the self justifying and accepting itself

Is that not just living without justifying and accepting.
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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #175
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

ganesan balachandran wrote:
Is that not just living without justifying and accepting.
gb

It may be, as long as one does not say, "I am being."

Being has no "I am."

Ravi asked, "What do you do when looking upon the Himalayas?" In which case there is a "you" who is "doing."

I answered "nothing." The moment there is 'doing' then the mountain disappears.

It is the self which either says, "I am what I am" or "I will become different." The self is caught between acceptance and rejection of itself, being and becoming.

It would seem,from what K says, that there is no resting point called being. If one truly understands one's self then that self dissolves and there is no more being of it. Its being ends. Then, what is, is.

Being has become a slogan, the antithesis of becoming, another duality has been created. For as long as ego persists, both will be its functions.

"The ego is first and foremost a body ego." S. Freud

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #176
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Thank you for that beautiful clarification.
gb

Paul Davidson wrote:
Is that not just living without justifying and accepting.

and i wanted to add and without center.

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #177
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

ganesan balachandran wrote:
and i wanted to add and without center.

That is it. That is all.

K once said that to have a centre is natural. Then he asked, "but has it got a dot in it?" Have we made it permanent?

"The ego is first and foremost a body ego." S. Freud

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #178
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Paul Davidson wrote:
Ravi wrote: Bow before him who sees Saguna Brahman an Nirguna Brahman as one.
Paul Davidson wrote: Ravi, why should one bow before any one?

Muad dhib wrote: paul we do that all along life.....

Dhirendra wrote: Excellent

What do I get from all this?

Hi Paul

Dan's comment on your question was excellent.This is like someone says why should I breath oxygen, when I am doing this for whole the life.(I don't say that bowing is equal to oxygen.)

When I commented on Dan's comment, I was only commenting on Dan's particular observation.

You may continue your dialogue with Ravi, without diverting.

I don't know

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #179
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

ganesan balachandran wrote:
who can be the best girl friend than this reality and she says let us be friends, you are not listening but feel jealous.

Is beautiful girlfriend not part of reality?

Whenever this reality, which is beautiful girlfriend says me that, "Let us be friends", I always listen, become friend, hold her hand and never feel jealous, really!

I don't know

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Tue, 20 Sep 2011 #180
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
Hi Paul
Dan's comment on your question was excellent.This is like someone says why should I breath oxygen, when I am doing this for whole the life.(I don't say that bowing is equal to oxygen.)

I am now understanding your opinion is that it is not 'equal' to it but is 'like' it.

In what way is bowing before authority 'like' breathing oxygen, Dhirendra? Is it so for you? It is not so for me.

I have not been bowing to authority my whole life, but I have been breathing air.

I think it is 'like' this. Someone says I should kill my enemy. I ask why and am told that it is because we humans have been killing each other all our lives. And I say that I, at least, never did it and do not intend to start now. I would oppose bowing and killing.

"The ego is first and foremost a body ego." S. Freud

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