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Sat, 17 Sep 2011 #121
Thumb_stringio Mina Martini Finland 749 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

'just bow. '
gb

:-) Yes. It is interesting how many times the body literally does bow, on its own, in the feeling of awe and gratitude.

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Sat, 17 Sep 2011 #122
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

kamarajugadda Mallik ArjunaRao wrote:
just bow.
Is there anything that one can do ?

and shoot (the aimless aim).
gb

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Sat, 17 Sep 2011 #123
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

ganesan balachandran wrote:
don't know any of this.

what ?

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Sat, 17 Sep 2011 #124
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
ganesan balachandran wrote:

don't know any of this.
what ?

yes.for the man who has come to the ground.
gb

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Sat, 17 Sep 2011 #125
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

ganesan balachandran wrote:
As far as i understood the man who has touched the ground, don't know any of this.

Ravi Seth wrote:
what ?

ganesan balachandran wrote:
yes.for the man who has come to the ground.

With reference to your above comment: ending of time 4rth chapter

Kindly decide if 'k' touched the Ground or not.


"DB: I think we are moving. The universal and the particular. First the particular dies into the emptiness, and then comes the universal.

K: And that dies too.

DB: Into the ground, right?

K: Yes.

DB: So you could say the ground is neither born nor dies.

K: That's right.

DB: Well, I think it becomes almost inexpressible if you say the universal is gone, because expression is the universal.

K: You see - I am just explaining: everything is dying, except that. Does this convey anything?

DB: Yes. Well it is out of that that everything arises, and into which it dies.

K: So that has no beginning and no ending."

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Sat, 17 Sep 2011 #126
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Well Ravi, i think i missed the context. i felt as X and raised the question. now i am beginning to understand why K posit as some one who has touched the ground as X.
gb

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Sat, 17 Sep 2011 #127
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

gb

also in this book, see what 'k' says:

DB: Are you saying that the universe, that that mind, has created nature which has an order, which is not merely going around mechanically? It has some deeper meaning? (important question)

K: That is what we are trying to find out.

DB: You are bringing in the whole universe as well as mankind. What makes you
do this? What is the source of this perception?

K: Let's begin again: there is the ending of the `me' as time, and so there is no hope; all that is finished, ended. In the ending of it, there is that sense of nothingness. And nothingness is this whole universe.

DB: Yes, the universal mind, the universal matter.

K: The whole universe.

DB: What led you to say that?

K: Ah. I know. To put it very simply: division has come to an end. Right? The division created by time, created by thought, created by this education, and so on - all that. Because it has ended, the other is obvious.

DB: You mean that without the division then the other is there - to be perceived?

K: Not to be perceived, but it is there.

DB: But then how does one come to be aware that it is there?

K: I don't think one becomes aware of it.

DB: Then what leads you to say it?

K: Would you say it is? Not, I perceive it, or it is perceived.

DB: Yes. It is.

K: It is.

DB: You could almost say that it is saying it. In some sense, you seem to be suggesting that it is what is saying.

K: Yes. I didn't want to put it - I am glad you put it like that! Where are we now?


gb

On reading the above marked in 'bold' , what will you do? Will you not bow before the one who not only sees but actually is 'that'!!!!!!!!

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #128
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
what will you do? Will you not bow before the one who not only sees but actually is 'that'!!!!!!!!

No doubt, K is an excellent teacher and also lived to his teachings. what as X( or Y) we are going to do.
gb

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #129
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
Will you not bow

Is that not an escape from his pointers?
gb

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #130
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

ganesan balachandran wrote:
Is that not an escape from his pointers?

have you seen toward that where he is pointing to?

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #131
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Ravi Seth wrote:
On reading the above marked in 'bold' , what will you do? Will you not bow before the one who not only sees but actually is 'that'!!!!!!!!

Ravi, why should one bow before any one? What would it be that bows? Before whom or what does it bow?

As that which bows does not actually KNOW before what it bows (it has just been very impressed or mesmorised by a bunch of words) it can only be bowing before its own projection.

If it bows low enough it will surely find the source of that projection!

"The ego is first and foremost a body ego." S. Freud

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #132
Thumb_stringio Paul Davidson United Kingdom 3659 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

To bow is to cede authority. If it is not a gesture of that, then what is it? All the animals do it, don't they? It is too show compliance before the demonstrated power of others. It is the beta before the alpha. And there is already too much of that on this poor site!

Never bow, even before Reality. Face it undaunted and learn something from the interaction. There is no servent/master in the world, except in your own mind.

Oh, but obey the traffic signals. That much is intelligent.

"The ego is first and foremost a body ego." S. Freud

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #133
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Paul Davidson wrote:
it has just been very impressed or mesmorised by a bunch of words

But it has to emanate from the ground.
gb

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #134
Thumb_deleted_user_med Muad dhib Ireland 175 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

Paul Davidson wrote:
Ravi, why should one bow before any one

paul we do that all along life.....

Dan.....

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #135
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Muad dhib wrote:
paul we do that all along life.....

Excellent :)

I don't know

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #136
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Paul Davidson wrote:
Ravi, why should one bow before any one? What would it be that bows? Before whom or what does it bow?

As that which bows does not actually KNOW before what it bows (it has just been very impressed or mesmorised by a bunch of words) it can only be bowing before its own projection.

If it bows low enough it will surely find the source of that projection!

Paul Davidson wrote:
To bow is to cede authority. If it is not a gesture of that, then what is it? All the animals do it, don't they? It is too show compliance before the demonstrated power of others. It is the beta before the alpha. And there is already too much of that on this poor site!

Never bow, even before Reality. Face it undaunted and learn something from the interaction. There is no servent/master in the world, except in your own mind.

Oh, but obey the traffic signals. That much is intelligent.

What you do when you look up at the Himalayas the first time?

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #137
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ganesan balachandran wrote:
No doubt. You need people to listen to or impress those and make people listen to you and with that listening if you make them understand the limitations of thought and time, you can also say what it is saying.Of course it needed JK to make me say like that.

sorry gb, i don't get you.

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #138
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
sorry gb, i don't get you.

GB too don't get himself:)

I don't know

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #139
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

dhirendra singh wrote:
GB too don't get himself:)

This doesn't mean that GB don't understand, but he never express what he understand, and what he express he don't understand.

In my school time I was not able to understand my hand writing, if asked to reread.

I don't know

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #140
Thumb_deleted_user_med Muad dhib Ireland 175 posts in this forum ACCOUNT DELETED

dhirendra singh wrote:
In my school time I was not able to understand my hand writing, if asked to reread.

typical of geniuses !!!

Dan.....

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #141
Thumb_man_question_mark dhirendra singh India 2984 posts in this forum Offline

Muad dhib wrote:
typical of geniuses !!!

LOL!!

I don't know

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #142
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
What you do when you look up at the Himalayas the first time?

we disappear( while moving along JK too.). perhaps JK points to that even without Himalayas or JK to make you disappear.
gb

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #143
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ganesan balachandran wrote:
One can speak like JK and generate the same incense as felt by DB, and that does not mean one is in the ground always. but i don't mean JK.

Try.

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #144
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

dhirendra singh wrote:
GB too don't get himself:)

dhirendra singh wrote:
This doesn't mean that GB don't understand, but he never express what he understand, and what he express he don't understand.

This is the best of the day.

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #145
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
Try.

Some of our fine participants are doing it in the forum
gb

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #146
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Paul Davidson wrote:
Oh, but obey the traffic signals. That much is intelligent.

this is is better than the best.
gb

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #147
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Muad dhib wrote:
paul we do that all along life.....

Ravi Seth wrote:
have you seen toward that where he is pointing to?

definitely he is not pointing that.
gb

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #148
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

Ravi Seth wrote:
Try.

I am really surprised, how you have not got this,with all the standard of expression.Ground is there as you say, even now one can reach it and see how it emanates.

gb

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #149
Thumb_avatar Ravi Seth India 1573 posts in this forum Offline

ganesan balachandran wrote:
Some of our fine participants are doing it in the forum itself.
Even in Bagavat Gita it is there. people speak of it as wonder and birth and death is inevitable for them.I don't remember the exact verse.

you are talking the childish stuff and then referring to demagogy which attracts millions.

There is abs no comparison to what 'k' says and what you are mentioning.

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Mon, 19 Sep 2011 #150
Thumb_tampura ganesan balachandran India 2204 posts in this forum Offline

dhirendra singh wrote:
This doesn't mean that GB don't understand, but he never express what he understand, and what he express he don't understand.

you should not feel jealous of my understanding of the vedic quotes:)
gb

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